Questions & Answers

1) What can I expect for performance gains with the Constant Speed Propeller Conversion, and how does it change the weight and balance?

2) What is the thrust effect of the various propellers with relation to pitch, diameter, and RPM? What effect have you seen from the exhaust modification?

3) How can I tell if my engine can be modified to accept a constant speed propeller?

4) Have you compared the Hartzell constant speed to the MT constant speed, and what are the differences?

5) Have you compared a constant speed propeller to a fixed pitch propeller and what are the differences?




1) What can I expect for performance gains with the Constant Speed Propeller Conversion, and how does it change the weight and balance?

It is hard for us to give very exact performance figures because Super Cubs vary so tremendously and we definitely don't want to mislead anyone. All we can do is provide how ours performed with the various propellers. We tested our Cub, which is 180 H.P., 29 in Tundra tires, and by no means built to go fast. With the McCauley pitched for "climb" performance, top speed was about 90-95 MPH. With a McCauley pitched for "cruise" performance it would max out at about 105 MPH. With our constant speed, the top end is now about 115 MPH. So we figure most Cubs should have about a 20% improvement in cruise speed if compared to a Borer "Climb" prop, and of course, something less if compared to a cruise prop. As far as the take-off performance goes, our prop will perform at least as well and probably better than even a "Climb" Borer prop. This is because the engine can produce its full rated power by going directly to 2700 RPM immediately upon throttle advancement. This is definitely a significant difference!! As far as the weight goes, it also varies with each aircraft. Ours had basically stock accessories, so it only gained about 10 pounds when installing the Hartzell Propeller, and only moved the empty weight CG forward about 7/16 of an inch. This was insignificant to us, but can be easily offset just by carrying a simple survival kit in the baggage compartment while flying around empty. If your Cub already has a light weight starter, or already has a lightweight rear mounted oil cooler, than obviously the weight change and CG effect will be greater. However, even if you already have these modifications, the CG should still not ever be any farther forward than mine. It just matters what you are comparing it too. There are also many other options we can do if desired. (i.e., Extended baggage, tundra tailwheel, battery location, ballast, etc.) However, generally the CG issue can be easily resolved just by paying attention to simple loading. Hopefully this answers your questions at least a little bit. We will be happy to work your weight and balance for you ahead of time, so we all know exactly what to expect. Please let us know if you have any other questions. We will be glad to help!

Brian Sutton
Professional Pilots Inc.
12304 West 165th Ave.
Lowell, IN 46356
(219) 696-8726



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2) What is the thrust effect of the various propellers with relation to pitch, diameter, and RPM? What effect have you seen from the exhaust modification?

Static Pull Test Results

August 21, 2003
82 deg F.
29.90
180 H.P. PA-18

Propeller

Model

Exhaust

Pull

RPM


Climb Prop

McCauley 1A200FA/8240

Stock

825 lbs.

2450

Climb Prop

McCauley 1A200FA/8240

Sutton

865 lbs.

2525

Cruise Prop

McCauley 1A200FA/8244

Stock

770 lbs.

2350

Cruise Prop

McCauley 1A200FA/8244

Sutton

815 lbs.

2430

Constant
Speed

Hartzell
HC-C2YR-1BF/8477-4

Sutton

870 lbs.

2700

NOTE: These thrust tests were conducted for comparison sake only and should not be construed as being applicable to all other aircraft.


Thrust data provided by Hartzell

This data is being supplied to demonstrate the relationship between diameter and generated thrust at various airspeeds. From these tables it becomes obvious why we chose to STC the longest propellers available for these engines.

O-320-A series 150 H.P./2700 RPM, HC-C2YL-1BF hub with the following blades
Note: Measurement is represented in pounds of thrust.

Speed

80" F8468-4

72" F7663-4

78" F8468-6Q


10

835

680

808

30

715

617

698

50

600

547

591

70

506

479

501

90

429

415

427

110

366

362

367




O-320-B series 160 H.P./2700 RPM, HC-C2YL-1BF hub with the following blades
Note: Measurement is represented in pounds of thrust.

Speed

80" F8468-4

72" F7663-4

78" F8468-6Q


10

862

707

835

30

744

646

727

50

630

577

621

70

534

507

529

90

455

441

453

110

389

385

390




O-360-A series 180 H.P./2700 RPM, HC-C2YR-1BF hub with the following blades
Note: Measurement is represented in pounds of thrust.

Speed

80" F8477-4

76" F7666


10

924

838

30

810

754

50

693

664

70

590

573

90

504

497

110

432

432



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3) How can I tell if my engine can be modified to accept a constant speed propeller?

From what the Type Certificates for the O-320, and O-360 say, It looks like the only engine with a solid crankshaft would be the O-360-C4F. However, all the engines with a "4" in the middle refer to something like a "Heavy shaft", so their eligibility is questionable. Most all others are capable of being modified to use a constant speed prop. Just for starters, this is what you can look for on your engine.

1) Look at the rear of the engine on the accessory case for a place to mount the governor. This will look like a square cover below the right magneto and vacuum drive area.

2) Look at the front right side of the engine case sort of near the top. This might be hard to see, but there should be a port with a pipe plug in it.

If you have these things, you are on the right track. Also, some engines will have the governor drive pad located on the front left side of the engine. This will require no plug like we discussed. To determine for sure what crankshaft you have, you will need to pull the spinner off and look directly at the end of the crankshaft. If there is a round steel plug filling the entire center of the shaft, your crank is definitely hollow. There are a couple of other things we will need to check, but we can generally figure those out from your maintenance records. I hope this helps out a little. Feel free to call me if you have any questions.

Brian

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4) Have you compared the Hartzell constant speed to the MT constant speed, and what are the differences.

Hartzell / MT-Propeller
Constant Speed Propeller Comparison

On June 18, 2005 we conducted a comparison test between the Hartzell HC-C2YR-1BF/F8477-4 propeller and the MT-Propeller MTV-15-B/210-58. The Hartzell propeller was equipped with the C-3568-P spinner, and the MT-Propeller was equipped with the standard P-277-A spinner. Both were installed on Piper PA-18 aircraft with 180 H.P. Lycoming O-360 engines in accordance with Professional Pilots Inc. STC's. The test began with aircraft "A" using the MT-Propeller, and aircraft "B" using the Hartzell Propeller. Both aircraft were loaded to gross weight (1750 lbs.) and performed three maximum performance take-off's, which were measured from the beginning of the take off roll to the point at which the tires left the ground. The aircraft then performed a full power climb at approximately 2700 RPM to an altitude of 10,000 feet MSL. Time to climb, and all engine parameters were recorded at 1000 ft intervals. For comparison purposes, the pilots flew the aircraft at the published best rate of climb speed of 75 MPH, and a full rich mixture for the entire climb. Both aircraft performed this test within 30 minutes of each other with the same weather conditions. The aircraft then landed, and were attached to a hydraulic strain gauge for the purpose of thrust testing. The propellers were then removed, weighed, and switched to the opposite aircraft. Following the switch, the aircraft were re-fueled, thrust tested again, and test flown in the same manner as described above. The only parameter changed between the aircraft was the propeller. The following is a summary of the results recorded from these tests.

Weather:

Test #1

Test #2

Wind

010/12

020/12

Temp

19 C.

20 C

D.P.

15 C.

15 C.

Baro.

30.06

30.06

Departure runway 01 at Sutton's Field, 0II8, Field Elevation 750 ft, Sod surface.


Propeller weights:

    Hartzell HC-C2YR-1BF/F8477-4
    with C1576 dampener assembly
    and C3568P spinner assembly

    70 lbs.

    MT-Propeller MTV-15-B/210-58
    with P-277-A spinner assembly

    46 lbs.


Thrust Testing:

    Aircraft A

    Aircraft B

    Average

    Hartzell Propeller

    765 lbs.

    748 lbs.

    756 lbs.

    MT- Propeller

    781 lbs

    731 lbs.

    756 lbs.


Take-off testing:

    Aircraft A

    Aircraft B

    Hartzell Propeller

    Attempt 1

    287 ft.

    291 ft.

    Attempt 2

    282 ft.

    263 ft.

    Attempt 3

    275 ft.

    288 ft.


    Average

    281 ft

    280 ft

    Average between both aircraft 280 ft.



    Aircraft A

    Aircraft B

    MT-Propeller

    Attempt 1

    236 ft.

    233 ft.

    Attempt 2

    271 ft.

    301 ft.

    Attempt 3

    261 ft.

    292 ft.


    Average

    256 ft.

    275 ft.

    Average between both aircraft 265 ft.

Rate of climb: (In Feet Per Minute, F.P.M) (Calculated from time measurements to avoid instrument error)

    Aircraft A

    Aircraft B

    Average

    Hartzell Propeller

    2000 ft.

    760

    750

    755

    3000 ft.

    741

    759

    750

    4000 ft.

    690

    652

    671

    5000 ft.

    690

    631

    660

    6000 ft.

    526

    504

    515

    7000 ft.

    444

    377

    410

    8000 ft.

    366

    294

    330

    9000 ft.

    345

    267

    306

    10000 ft.

    242

    179

    210

    Aircraft A

    Aircraft B

    Average

    MT-Propeller

    2000 ft.

    698

    650

    674

    3000 ft.

    698

    612

    655

    4000 ft.

    659

    545

    602

    5000 ft.

    545

    432

    488

    6000 ft.

    476

    432

    454

    7000 ft.

    403

    368

    385

    8000 ft.

    243

    299

    271

    9000 ft.

    194

    264

    229

    10000 ft.

    180

    156

    168


Please note that the performance numbers in this table by no means represent the full capability of the 180 H.P. Super Cub due to the fact that neither aircraft were allowed to lean their engines or deviate from the 75 MPH climb speed. These two factors were kept constant to increase the accuracy of the comparisons between the two propellers and help eliminate the effects of pilot technique. Also please note that propeller efficiency can vary tremendously depending on various airspeeds. This test was meant to give a base line understanding of the characteristics of each propeller and should not be construed as being capable of determining the overall effect on each individual aircraft.

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5) Have you compared a constant speed propeller to a fixed pitch propeller and what are the differences?

MT-Propeller MTV-15-C/200-50
Comparison with
McCauley 1A175 propeller
Installed on Lycoming O-320 engine

On July 7, 2005 we conducted a comparison between the constant speed MT-Propeller installed on a PA-18 in accordance with Professional Pilots Inc. STC SA02087CH, and the McCauley 1A175/8242 (Borer) propeller. Both propellers were installed on PA-18 aircraft utilizing Lycoming O-320 engines rated at 160 H.P. The test was conducted at Baker, Montana with several witnesses present. The test began by thrust testing both aircraft using a hydraulic strain gauge. The aircraft were then loaded equally, and to near gross weight. The aircraft then conducted several maximum performance take-offs, and also performed a climb to 10,000 ft. MSL. The tests were conducted with a full rich mixture, and half flap configuration to minimize the effects of various pilot techniques. The following is a summary of the results recorded from these tests.

Weather:

    Wind

    310/13

    Temp

    30 C.

    D.P.

    18 C.

    Baro.

    29.84

    Density Altitude

    5500 ft.

Departing runway 31 at Baker, Montana. Field Elevation 2960. Paved Surface. Aircraft take-off weight 1600 lbs. for attempts 1 and 2, and 1750 lbs. on attempt 3.



Propeller Weights:

    MTV-15-C/200-50
    Including spinner assembly

    43 lbs.

    McCauley 1A175/8242
    Including spinner assembly

    36 lbs.



Thrust testing (Static):

    MT-Propeller

    (2680 RPM)

    649 lbs

    McCauley

    (2400 RPM)

    528 lbs.



Take-Off distance:

    MT-Propeller

    McCauley Propeller

    Attempt #1

    230 ft.

    285 ft.

    Attempt #2

    200 ft.

    240 ft.

    Attempt #3

    315 ft.

    365 ft.

(Average of three attempts)

    MT-Propeller

    248 ft.

    McCauley

    297 ft.



Rate of Climb to 10,000 ft.:
(Adjusted for equal speed/distance)

    MT-Propeller

    477 fpm

    McCauley

    451 fpm



Cruise speed:
(Approximately 65% power at 10,000 ft.)

    MT-Propeller

    112 mph

    McCauley

    92 mph



Summary:

During these tests, the constant speed MT-Propeller had a static thrust 23% higher than that of the fixed pitch McCauley. The aircraft with the MT-Propeller demonstrated an advantage of approximately 19% during the take-off phase, and approximately 6% during the climb phase. The cruise speed of the MT-Propeller equipped aircraft was approximately 22% faster than the McCauley equipped aircraft. This test was conducted to obtain a base line understanding of the performance differences between the two types of propellers. The McCauley 1A175 82/42 (Borer) propeller was chosen for the comparison because we believe it provides the greatest performance of any fixed pitch propeller currently on the market. Individual aircraft may vary considerably due to other modifications that may be installed, but the capability of allowing maximum engine efficiency through the use of the constant speed propeller should always be present.

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